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*** Set by DullBoy on Sat Dec 30 17:33:43

<jrdrisc> hi glo
<gloriosky> hi
<jrdrisc> i've got new mp3s of a piece i wrote, glo
<gloriosky> so?
<jrdrisc> based on the poetry of rilke
<jrdrisc> do you know rilke?
<gloriosky> I like Rilke
<gloriosky> that doesn't mean I want to hear more of your mp3s
<jrdrisc> hmmm
<jrdrisc> still sore from our last conversation?
* gloriosky is awake for no particular reason
<gloriosky> did you graduate, jrdrisc?
<jrdrisc> yes, i did
<jrdrisc> anxious about the new millenium?
<gloriosky> why would I be?
<jrdrisc> i don't know
<gloriosky> I can't think of any reason to be anxious.
<jrdrisc> i was trying to think of a reason why you were up
<gloriosky> There needn't be any reason.
<jrdrisc> of course not
<jrdrisc> i was just trying to help
<Ros_IV> Hi.
<jrdrisc> hi ROS
<jrdrisc> HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
<jrdrisc> ROS?
<Ros_IV> I'm ok.
<jrdrisc> COOL
<Ros_IV> A bit weirded out in general. But that's to be expected.
<jrdrisc> HOW'S YOUR WIFE?
<Ros_IV> I have no wife.
<Ros_IV> Why would I have a wife?
<jrdrisc> no wife?
<Ros_IV> Nope. Never had one.
<jrdrisc> how old are you?
<Ros_IV> 31.
<Ros_IV> That's in people-years, btw.
<HellSap> heh
<gloriosky> in dog years that would be about 4.3?
<gloriosky> 4.4
<Ros_IV> Probably. Someone comes up with a new "real" ratio every few years.
<gloriosky> someone gave me a bottle of Belvedere vodka for Christmas
<gloriosky> made from rye, not potatoes
<Ros_IV> ...
<Ros_IV> That gives me an idea, actually.
<gloriosky> I haven't opened it yet
<Ros_IV> I have that bottle of Soviet Stoli that I'm most likely *never* going to use. I could bring it to some party or other. I'm sure it'd be appreciated.
<jrdrisc> glo, have you seen the simpsons episode where lisa joins Mensa?
<gloriosky> between this and the 0.8 bottle of Absolut Kurant, I've got at least a 3 year supply of vodka now
<gloriosky> yes, I watched that, jrd.
<jrdrisc> did you watch it with mensa friends?
<gloriosky> I'd never use the Stoli.  Stoli has it's fans, I'm sure some party will appreciate it
<Ros_IV> Well, this is pre-bad Stoli.
<gloriosky> in the sense that I watched it while I was on IRC #Mensa, yes
<jrdrisc> did you think it was funny?
<gloriosky> in spots
<gloriosky> I loved the boxing glove on Hawking's chair
<gloriosky> I thought that was funny
<jrdrisc> was it an accurate representation of your organization?
<gloriosky> darned if I know, jrd.
<jrdrisc> but you're a mensa member, right?
<gloriosky> the Mensans I've met are rowdier
<gloriosky> not much longer!
<jrdrisc> or is it secret?
<gloriosky> I'm never paying dues again
<gloriosky> I've sworn it off
<gloriosky> permanently, this time.
<gloriosky> at least for awhile :)
<jrdrisc> it's probably good for you
<gloriosky> I can't imagine it changing enough to get me back but I suppose it's possible, regardless of what I can imagine.
<jrdrisc> but you'll still be a fixture at #mensa, right?
<gloriosky> there is no longer any connection at all between my Mensa membership and my presence on #Mensa
<gloriosky> I find the latter infinitely more satisfying.
<jrdrisc> even if i'm around hawking my music?
<gloriosky> no comment.
<jrdrisc> some day someone will give you a CD of my music as a present
* gloriosky tries to remember the taste of Stoli and can only recall the smell at a certain large party in 1990
<jrdrisc> and you'll have no choice but to spit in their face
<gloriosky> it was a Brazilian carnival time party in SF
<Hemlock> so whats going on
<jrdrisc> glo has a million stories that begin that way
<gloriosky> the drinks booth was selling abominable $#!+ out of prestige label bottles, the smell was horrendous
<gloriosky> whoever got that concession was very crooked
<jrdrisc> probably a mensa flunkee
<jrdrisc> or someone who didn't pay their dues
* jrdrisc looks up at the ceiling while pointing to glo with his left pinky
<gloriosky> I like the photos on quarf's page there (URL in the /topic)
<jrdrisc> i'm trying to move to new york
<gloriosky> why?
<jrdrisc> to peddle my music to real people
<beezy> well no one here but real people :)
* gloriosky picks her teeth and enjoys the feeling of getting sleepier
<jrdrisc> well
<jrdrisc> but glo hates me and my music
<beezy> huh?
<jrdrisc> she's very hostile to new music
<beezy> i meant in ny
<gloriosky> funny/awesome cover photo on this week's SF Bay Guardian, Biker Chicks
<beezy> what kinda music?
<jrdrisc> classical
<jrdrisc> orchestral
<HellSap> i would think thats old stuff
<jrdrisc> well
<jrdrisc> it's in the genre of modern music for orchestra
<jrdrisc> classical to the layperson
<jrdrisc> you know, if i attached my music to a porno mpeg, i think more people would visit my site and listen to it
<gloriosky> speaking of classical orchestral music, about half an hour ago a concert recorded in November 2000 finished up on KDFC here
<HellSap> hehe
<jrdrisc> was it bach, glo?
<gloriosky> Copland's Appalachian Spring at Davies Symphony Hall, SF Orchestra
<jrdrisc> you like that?
<gloriosky> I've heard it a couple of hundred times, but they play it well enough to make it exciting to me again
<gloriosky> I first heard it when I was in junior high school
<gloriosky> I like the SF Symphony Orchestra
<gloriosky> I have 3 tickets this season, all Mahler
<jrdrisc> you like michael tilson thomas?
<gloriosky> I do.
<HellSap> I liked them when they played with Metallica
<HellSap> heh
<gloriosky> One of the performances will be by a visiting orchestra from Japan
<jrdrisc> better than the other guy?
<gloriosky> better that what other guy, Edo de Waart?
<jrdrisc> that's not really the SF orchestra then, is it?
<gloriosky> or Ozawa?
<jrdrisc> was he the conductor before MTT?
<jrdrisc> the Saito Kinen orchestra?
<gloriosky> I don't know much about de Waart; he was here for a few years when I wasn't paying attention
<gloriosky> I like Ozawa
* gloriosky checks the tickets
<jrdrisc> i don't like ozawa
<jrdrisc> and most of boston doesnt' either
<gloriosky> Yes, it is the Saito Kinen
<gloriosky> I don't give a flying fuck what you or boston think
<gloriosky> I like Ozawa
<jrdrisc> hmmm
<jrdrisc> why do you like him so much?
<jrdrisc> (see, she's hostile!)
* gloriosky folds jrdrisc into a tidy package of small dimensions, no more than 8" x 12" x 7" and tucks him into the crawl space next to the generator.
<jrdrisc> hmmm
<jrdrisc> well
<jrdrisc> since you don't like talking about music when other people don't agree with you
<jrdrisc> do you also feel that way about most other topics?
<gloriosky> Ozawa's a fine conductor and I don't need to give a $#!+ what the currently fashionable attitudes are
<jrdrisc> they're not so current
<jrdrisc> boston has hated him for a long time
<gloriosky> I'm eccentric and I enjoy it very much.
<gloriosky> I have never needed to ask Boston what I should think or do.
<jrdrisc> the BSO concertmaster wrote a letter telling him to resign that was published on the front page of the orchestra newsletter
<gloriosky> So what?
<jrdrisc> well i think Boston feels that way because Ozawa is the conductor of the Boston Symphony Orchestra
<jrdrisc> not because they're trying to tell the world what to think
<jrdrisc> eccentric doesn't mean not having any taste
<gloriosky> I don't like joining in when some community has selected an individual to persecute, either.
<jrdrisc> hmmm
<gloriosky> I'm not into the mob mentality, never have been.
<jrdrisc> i really don't think it's some sort of witch hunt
<jrdrisc> he's just not that great of a conductor
<gloriosky> what's the name of the Met soprano who was forcibly 'retired' a few years ago?>
<jrdrisc> and he hasn't ever done that much with the BSO over the past 25 years as its conductor
<gloriosky> I think you're full of $#!+, jrdrisc
<jrdrisc> hmmm
<jrdrisc> you think i'm making this up?
<jrdrisc> he barely speaks english
<gloriosky> I don't give a flying fuck, jrdrisc
<gloriosky> you haven't grasped this small but essential reality.
<jrdrisc> a flying fuck is quite a large reality, i would imagine
<gloriosky> Battle, yes.  I like her, too, I don't care what their problem is.
<jrdrisc> well, she has a great voice
<jrdrisc> but she was a bitch
<gloriosky> She's a gifted artist and I'm glad to see she's doing well without the Met.
<jrdrisc> that's why they fired her
<gloriosky> so what?
<jrdrisc> she's not doing so well
<gloriosky> we need more bitches.
<jrdrisc> well, you're certainly the one to lead the call to arms
<gloriosky> bring your obnoxious immature little butt into line ;)
<jrdrisc> BITCHES UNITE!
<HellSap> heh
<gloriosky> not on your say so
<gloriosky> like any of us would ask you to lead us :P
<jrdrisc> what is so obnoxious about anything i've said?
<jrdrisc> (except for the BITCHES UNITE)
<gloriosky> your certainty that your opinions are interesting.
<jrdrisc> hmmm
<jrdrisc> they're certainly more grounded in fact than yours
<gloriosky> and, more than that, your apparent belief that they are original.
<jrdrisc> i never said they were original
<gloriosky> you wouldn't know a fact if it was a rake and you stepped on it and the handle hit you in the face at an approximate speed of 27 mph :D
<jrdrisc> they just happen not to agree with your own opinions, glo
<jrdrisc> why do you insult me like this?
<gloriosky> I used to talk to you like I talked to everyone else, jrdrisc.  I don't any more.
<gloriosky> because you're so annoying.
<jrdrisc> it shows a weak intelligence that won't even enter into a debate without resorting to names and silly insults
<jrdrisc> well
<gloriosky> surely I'm not the only person in your life who insults you
<gloriosky> surely not.
<jrdrisc> if i disagree with you, i will say so
<jrdrisc> surely, you are
<gloriosky> you need more such people, then, this is clear.
<jrdrisc> as i would invite you to do the same
<gloriosky> One is not nearly enough.
<jrdrisc> i asked you: why do you like Ozawa so much?
<gloriosky> You need at least a half dozen.  Four at the very least.
<jrdrisc> there certainly are points to be made in his favor
<jrdrisc> none of which you have made
<gloriosky> Three in an emergency
<gloriosky> So?
<jrdrisc> because you don't know anything about what you're talking about, glo!
<gloriosky> I don't hang out here so I can convince people I know what I'm talking about.
* HellSap rolls on the floor laughing
<gloriosky> HellSap :D
<HellSap> this is a really good conversation
<gloriosky> I like it too, HellSap!
<HellSap> but I gotta say, both of you have good points
<gloriosky> I'm having a ball
<jrdrisc> i don't hang out here for that either
<HellSap> and both of you have some bad ones...
<gloriosky> you don't hang out here.
<jrdrisc> what are my bad ones, hellsap?
* gloriosky AFKs to brush her teeth.
<jrdrisc> she's really fun to provoke like this
<HellSap> well, I say this in a general way... you should have more people that annoy you... one of glo's good points
<jrdrisc> well, she certainly does the job of ten people
<HellSap> not just people that hate you, but just a bit of hardship to lead to refinement
<jrdrisc> if i had to deal with her every day, i might have a heart attack before i turned 25
<HellSap> but glo shouldnt be so insulting
<jrdrisc> well
<jrdrisc> we got into a big fight before
<jrdrisc> i certainly have been a jerk
<jrdrisc> but i feel that she has, too
<HellSap> I havent exactly seen that much of a fight from gloriosky in my time of being here
* gloriosky chuckles
<jrdrisc> and what's worse is that she won't ever admit that she doesn't know what she's talking about
<HellSap> well, at least you are admitting it..
<jrdrisc> glo, what is it you know about seiji?
<gloriosky> HellSap, jrdrisc used to drop in here a few years ago when he was also hanging out on #bondage or something
<jrdrisc> i don't claim to know everything about him
<gloriosky> once in awhile one of his victims would follow him over
<jrdrisc> #dogsex, too, don't forget
<gloriosky> he's always been a prick
<HellSap> ooh... I think I went to #dogsex or something, heh
<jrdrisc> i used to go there and meow and then excuse myself for obviously being in the wrong place
<HellSap> it was like #bifemdogsex, it was soo funny I had to join
<gloriosky> jrdrisc's problem is that he thinks there's something wrong with the universe if everyone around him isn't unanimous in claiming that he's the most fascinating individual present
<jrdrisc> glo, do you really think i don't know what i'm talking about?  or is it just that i'm being so goddamn annoying about it?
<gloriosky> I don't know how he got like that
<HellSap> glo - but I havent seen him long enough to see him as too prickish as all the other sorts around here
<gloriosky> I know some attribute this sort of thing to overly indulgent parents
<jrdrisc> i am an only child
<gloriosky> but I don't know his early history and can't speculate about it
<jrdrisc> glo, you can't possibly think i act like this in real life!
<HellSap> you dont act like that in real life??? damn
<jrdrisc> i wish i did
<jrdrisc> that would be fun
<HellSap> in real life I even respond to 'hellsap'
* gloriosky needs to decide what to wear tomorrow
<jrdrisc> i get too nervous in confrontations
<HellSap> heh
<HellSap> nervous? well, dont use chat rooms as the gateway to socializing, get out and breathe
<jrdrisc> oh i do plenty of that
<jrdrisc> i wouldn't call this conversation socializing, though
<HellSap> oh... darn
<jrdrisc> i get nervous at the heated confrontation
<jrdrisc> most of the time i'm pretty friendly
* gloriosky was reading recently of Cicero's recommendations about what qualities to look for in a friend.
<jrdrisc> he probably wanted them to be able to speak good Latin
<HellSap> glo - lots of toys to play with when you visit them?
<gloriosky> "One who is loyal and upright, fair and generous, free from caprice and incolence, who has great strength of character, is frank, sociable, sympathetic, candid, affable, genial, agreeable and wholly courteous."
<makk> money.
<HellSap> hehe
<HellSap> wow, so a perfect friend might also be like a perfect person, wow
<jrdrisc> i didn't ask you to be my friend, glo
<gloriosky> to which Aelred of Rievaulx added that one should avoid: "the irascible, fickle, suspicious, garrulous, angry, avaricious and ambitious."
<HellSap> unfortunately in the real world, you gotta get more
<gloriosky> I've been studying these lists with an eye of what I can work on to be a better friend
<HellSap> hey, those are the only types of people I know! heh
<jrdrisc> glo, i should put that second list on my resume
<HellSap> hehe
<HellSap> lol
<gloriosky> I'm not free of caprice and insolence, and I'm not sociable.  Also, I am irascible, suspicious, angry and (occasionally) garrulous.
<gloriosky> So there's plenty to work on there.
<jrdrisc> people love ambitious
<gloriosky> I don't.
<jrdrisc> you don't do anything if you're not ambitious
<gloriosky> according to you.
<jrdrisc> it doesn't mean ambition over other things, but it really ought to be present in a person
<gloriosky> fine, follow your nose, it's not my concern, it's yours.
<HellSap> those who arent ambitious enough to live can't seem to do it very well
<jrdrisc> i have a friend who's a very good composer and an incredibly nice person
<gloriosky> what does he see in you?
<jrdrisc> but he has no ambition and i'm afraid he's not going to do as much as he could or even would really like to
<jrdrisc> i'm afraid, glo, that i've given you a skewed view of my personality
<jrdrisc> alas, i don't think i could ever rectify that
<HellSap> ambition = good, arrogance = bad...
<jrdrisc> i concur
<HellSap> I think thats why most people think ambitiousness is bad
<HellSap> once you get too ambitious you might tend to think you are above everyone... hate that
<jrdrisc> i am very ambitious, but i also think i'm below tons and tons of people 
<jrdrisc> that's what keeps me motivated, i think
<jrdrisc> i see all the great things other people have done and i would like to do the same
<HellSap> keep in high spirits jrdrisc
<jrdrisc> i didn't decide to major in music because of all the money it would bring me
<gloriosky> I know the feeling.  I'd like to play as well as Rosalyn Tureck with the soulfulness of Aretha Franklin
<jrdrisc> i did it because i truly love it and i can't imagine living life not doing it
<gloriosky> I'd like to play as well as Angela Hewitt with the passion of Tori Amos.
<jrdrisc> but, someone might say, why not get a safe job and just do music as a hobby?
<jrdrisc> luckily, i think, my ambition won't let me accept never having at least tried to the very highest i can reach in music
<jrdrisc> so, i think it's a good thing
<gloriosky> one's reach should exceed one's grasp, else what's a heaven for? (who said that?)
<gloriosky> it's like a golfer's followthrough
<HellSap> oh, I remember that quote, dont remember who...
<gloriosky> to know what is beyond what one is doing, beyond what one is aiming for
<jrdrisc> i'm kind of floundering at the moment
<jrdrisc> because i'm not sure what my next goal should be
<gloriosky> It was Robert Browning.
<HellSap> ahh
<jrdrisc> God's in his heaven and all's right with the world
<HellSap> hehe
<jrdrisc> that's the only browning i know
<jrdrisc> that and my last duchess
<jrdrisc> i had a girlfriend who was hungarian and i was trying to learn hungarian
<jrdrisc> i found a book of Browning poems translated into Hungarian at a used book store in San Diego
<jrdrisc> and sent her an e-mail with My Last Duchess in Hungarian (her favorite poem of his)
<jrdrisc> I told her I'd figured it out myself
* gloriosky falls asleep
<jrdrisc> and then of course, I immediately told her i was joking
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